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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:05:34] <rdieter>	kde sig meeting start, who's present today?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:05:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:07] 	 * poelcat lurking
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:12] 	 * ltinkl is here
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:18] 	 * jreznik is here and there and somewhere :)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:19] 	 * SMParrish here
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:06:37] <than>	present
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:07:18] <rdieter>	ok, initially, look over https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03#Agenda , anything to add for today?
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:07:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	I just added the alleged Dolphin security issue somebody reported to kde-devel with a patch.
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:08:41] <ltinkl>	rdieter: KDE 4.2.1
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:08:45] <ltinkl>	rdieter: Qt 4.5
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:08:52] <ltinkl>	rdieter: QtCreator packaging
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:00] <rdieter>	ok, that's enough for now, topic: KDE 4.2 feature status
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:06] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- kde 4.2 feature status".
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:27] <ltinkl>	CVS is updated to 4.2.1, I'm currently in the middle of building the packages
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:29] <rdieter>	that includes updates on policykit-kde, networkmanager applet, faster startup
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	PolicyKit-kde should now be working in the live image, it may need a -PolicyKit-gnome in the kickstart though.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:10:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	The hardcoded deps on PolicyKit-gnome have been fixed.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:11:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	We'd still like D-Bus to be fixed to work properly if both are installed.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:11:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	But at least on the live image it should be working.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:11:57] <jreznik>	so we can let it be part of feature
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:12:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	Right.
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:12:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	kde-plasma-networkmanager is now available in Rawhide and obsoletes the old KDE 3 knetworkmanager.
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:13] <jreznik>	I tried current package in rawhide but it's unusable
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:22] <jreznik>	no way to set up WEP key
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	But I haven't done any testing whether it's suitable as a default at this point or whether it will be when F11 releases.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:32] <rdieter>	any objections to may snagging it and building for f10 in kde-redhat/unstable (sans the Obsoletes probably)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:41] <jreznik>	but latest SVN build is better - I can connect to WEP network
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	The Obsoletes is conditionalized already.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:53] <jreznik>	and I don't have layout problems anymore
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:13:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: Then we should update our package.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	Once we did, rdieter can build it for kde-redhat unstable.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:13] 	 * rdieter will wait for pkg update, then snag.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:27] <jreznik>	But still I can't connect to VPN :(
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:14:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	Do you have the appropriate subpackage (-openvpn or -vpnc) installed?
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:19] <MathStuf>	yay distractions
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:31] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: yes, I have configured it, I can see it in plasmoid but when I click on it, doesn't work
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:36] <rdieter>	MathStuf: [10:13] <jreznik> I tried current package in rawhide but it's unusable... no way to set up WEP key
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:41] <rdieter>	[10:13] <jreznik> but latest SVN build is better - I can connect to WEP network
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:42] <MathStuf>	hmm
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:50] <rdieter>	[10:13] <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: Then we should update our package.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:55] <MathStuf>	ok, I'll respin the tarball
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:15:59] <rdieter>	:) th
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:16:00] <rdieter>	thx
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:16:24] <rdieter>	anything on faster startup?  than?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:16:41] <jreznik>	problem was - when I select not Passphrase but Hex from list, it didn't save this selection so it was trying hex key as passphrase
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:17:39] <rdieter>	jreznik: when issues are found, file bugs and/or ping wstephensen
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:17:56] <jreznik>	and last think I don't like on new nm-plasmoid - you don't know what's happening... it's minor problem...
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:12] <than>	rdieter, it's a bit faster, about 10 seconds faster, i'm still working on it
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:20] <jreznik>	rdieter: it's already fixed but I have to investigate why it doesn't connect to VPN
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	What did you do to speed it up so far?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:18:49] <jreznik>	I have rawhide on my EEE currently, not a big win D:
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's a bid sad to have 20 second system startup followed by minutes of KDE startup. :-(
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:14] <MathStuf>	respun tarball; r934706 20090302
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:15] <ltinkl>	10 seconds is a _lot_ faster I'd say :)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:27] <than>	disable some services
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:19:40] <than>	improve update scripts
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:00] <than>	that are started by first time
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:16] <ltinkl>	hmm, my KDE starts in about ~10 seconds, where did you take those "minutes" :)
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:40] <than>	ltinkl, if you start kde first time it will take long
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:49] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I don't believe 20 sec, from testing day it's much worst... 
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:20:53] <ltinkl>	than: kbuildsycoca
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:00] <jreznik>	first run is not a problem
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:17] <than>	jreznik, it#s a problem
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:24] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, on the live CD it's always a "first run".
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:32] <jreznik>	ah, live CD
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:34] <than>	the update scripts will start
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:21:41] <than>	and takes times
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:17] <than>	many config files will be created
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:28] <rdieter>	than: mind posting details to fedora-kde ?  status... work done so far, todo's, where help is needed, etc?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:30] <Kevin_Kofler>	Can't we somehow pre-run them on the live CD?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:22:55] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: +1, that should be part of the investigation surely
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:05] <jreznik>	good idea
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:20] <than>	ok i can do
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	OK, can we move on?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:47] <rdieter>	let's move on, we can delve into more juicy details after meeting.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:23:56] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Qt 4.5".
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:24:20] <rdieter>	good news, qt-4.5.0 (final) released today, built in rawhide. announcement sent wrt licensing change.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:24:46] <rdieter>	https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-March/msg00003.html
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:24:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	Any timeline for F9/F10 updates yet?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:25:21] <rdieter>	when we're confident that kde-4.2.x/qt-4.5.x combo is sane, and fairly regression-free.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:25:44] <rdieter>	one blocker is PyQt4, current iteration of the pkg doesn't build against qt-4.5
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:25:57] <than>	i will say qt-4.5.x with kde-4.2.2 for F10/F9
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:10] <rdieter>	but I'd expect that now qt-4.5 is released, and upstream fix will come soon
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	Hopefully there'll be a PyQt4 4.5 now that Qt 4.5 is official.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:22] <rdieter>	than: nod, a reasonable target
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:26:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	Also including bindings for the new APIs.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:27:33] <rdieter>	moving on... KDE 4.2.1 status. than?  ltinkl ?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:27:39] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- KDE 4.2.1".
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:27:55] <ltinkl>	CVS is updated to 4.2.1, I'm currently in the middle of building the packages
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	Great! Especially Kompare will benefit a lot from 4.2.1.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:38] <than>	4.2.1 is complete built for rawhide
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	Bruggie and I did a massive round of bugfixing.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:28:58] <MathStuf>	yeah, i saw it in rawhide
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:29:02] <MathStuf>	(4.2.1)
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:29:31] <MathStuf>	nothing blatent, but its also not my main machine (with the desktop available) -- spring break will be fun :)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:30:10] <rdieter>	anything extragear related need updating too?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:31:02] <rdieter>	looks like 4.2.1 src dir on ktown includes only core kde components
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:31:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	Extragear tarballs are usually made a few days later.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:07] <MathStuf>	any status on the dolphin location bar fix?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	You mean the alleged "security issue"? That's the next topic.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, actually Qt Creator is listed before it on the agenda.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:32:55] <MathStuf>	ah, i see the list :)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:33:30] <MathStuf>	fyi: respin of k-p-nm builds fine, uploading tarball
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:33:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	rdieter: I think we're done with 4.2.1, next topic please. :-)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:34:45] <rdieter>	alrighty... next topic: QtCreator packaging
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:35:07] <rdieter>	ltinkl: a wishlist item or are you working on it? :)
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:35:34] <ltinkl>	rdieter: I'd like to have it packaged, so yes, I'm gonna get my hands dirty with this beast
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:35:37] <ltinkl>	:)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:36:17] <rdieter>	sounds good, doubt there's much else to discuss then. is there?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:36:45] <jreznik>	ltinkl: I can help you with review
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:02] <ltinkl>	jreznik: thx :)
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:05] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Alleged Dolphin security issue , http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.general/56967".
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:11] <rdieter>	moving on: Alleged Dolphin security issue , http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.general/56967
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:14] 	 * ltinkl really likes qtcreator
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:37:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	So somebody reported an alleged "security issue" to the public kde-devel mailing list, with a patch.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:38:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	The issue is that if you enter a URL which is not handled by Dolphin, it doesn't properly escape shell metacharacters when passing it on to Konqueror.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:38:43] <rdieter>	While we should take it seriously, I'd feel better waiting until hearing on official statement from kde-security
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:38:44] <Kevin_Kofler>	AFAICT you have to enter the offending URL manually to cause this.
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:40:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	MathStuf made an improved version of the patch which doesn't use deprecated functions.
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:41:54] <rdieter>	hrm... a complication is, sure we'll include a fix in kde-4.2.1, but is it worth trying to spin a quick (straight to stable) update for 4.2.0 too?
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:25] <rdieter>	if it requires a manual url, seems to me it's not highly urgent
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:32] <ltinkl>	not needed imo
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:33] <MathStuf>	agreed
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:42:49] <than>	has someome already informed kde-security team ?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:06] <rdieter>	than: unclear
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:21] <than>	in this case we should wait
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:43:43] <than>	first inform the kde-security team
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:44:25] <rdieter>	agreed., let's move on...
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:45:23] <rdieter>	 last 2 items, are event-related:  Communicate/IRC/Classroom KDE Sessions anyone?, FUDConBerlin2009
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:45:34] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- Communicate/IRC/Classroom KDE Sessions anyone?, FUDConBerlin2009".
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:45:55] <rdieter>	anyone interested in leading kde-related sessions for fedora classroom this weekend?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:46:54] <jreznik>	rdieter: any idea for program? not only chat as last time
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:46:55] <rdieter>	and/or anyone with plans for FUDConBerlin2009 yet?
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:47:54] <rdieter>	jreznik: no ideas yet, I'll followup on fedora-kde list after meeting, brainstorming, soliciting ideas or feedback.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:47:54] <jreznik>	and/or Akademy... it's in same time I think... for me it's one or other...
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:48:23] <rdieter>	jreznik: it's close:  FUDCon Jun 26-28, Akademy, Jul 3-11
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:48:50] <rdieter>	I'm still hoping for a miracle and a way to be able to attend both.  It's starting look lucky if I'll be able to do one
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:49:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	No plans for FUDCon Berlin yet, I may or may not be going there.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:49:53] <rdieter>	personally, I think FUDCon would be the more productive of the 2, though akademy may be more pleasureable.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:50:57] <rdieter>	sounds like it's still up in the air... I'll take these 2 events to the list as well.
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:07] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-03-03 -- open discussion".
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:11] <rdieter>	anything else for today?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:18] <ltinkl>	I probably won't be able to attend either of them
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:21] <MathStuf>	status?: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487622
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:23] <buggbot>	Bug 487622: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Designer plugins for KDE widgets is in -devel package
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:33] <jreznik>	rdieter: it depend on budget :) as everything :D still in air
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:51:47] <rdieter>	MathStuf: ah, thx...
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:52:15] <rdieter>	that bug highlights that the designer plugins need to be moved from -devel to runtime pkgs
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:52:57] <rdieter>	than, ltinkl : can you fold those changes in with kde-4.2.1 updates?
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:53:28] <rdieter>	if you guys don't have the time, I start working on it too over the next few days
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:53:32] <than>	rdieter, i wil do
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:54:01] <rdieter>	than: thanks
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:54:46] <MathStuf>	oh, new k-p-nm is done: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1217352
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:55:21] <jreznik>	MathStuf: great!
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:55:21] <rdieter>	fyi, got f10 qt-4.5.0-1 builds done, pushing to kde-redhat/unstable now.
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:55:25] <ltinkl>	new phonon as well: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1217372
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:56:40] <rdieter>	anything else?  otherwise, we can end the meeting
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:09] <rdieter>	30
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:22] <rdieter>	15
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:22] 	 * MathStuf sees nothing in his buglist
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:41] <rdieter>	end meeting, thanks all.
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[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:57:51] <rdieter>	who wants to be the log bot today?
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:58:12] 	 * jreznik is log bot
[Tue Mar 3 2009] [17:58:32] <rdieter>	all hail the log bot.